tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post2901000171313315830..comments2023-09-28T07:04:37.389-07:00Comments on Utah Wingmen for Property Tax RE-FORUM ( REFORM ): D-Bell's Speech before Utah Legislature's Revenue and Taxation Interim Committee 9-19-07 and moreUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-77240287678148395242007-10-01T13:20:00.000-07:002007-10-01T13:20:00.000-07:00Right on Darryl! Most of the people across this Co...Right on Darryl! Most of the people across this Country apparently agree with you and when they went to an "acquisition value" based form of property taxes..did at least a two year lookback to set a basis for market value on existing residences/homes. This means they too had been grossly assessed to death by greedy and out of control local governments and legislators. And we must "network" across the entire State for a grounds up revolt against the all too comfortable status quo in this State. We must get out there and convince people to be engaged and supportive of our efforts so that they call and write their representatives. And not accept pablum from them as well meaning or intentioned BS. We want and need action and now --- not next year or whenever they find it convienant. Namaste MMMinor Machmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02724920111398658234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-52233674548931103342007-10-01T12:34:00.000-07:002007-10-01T12:34:00.000-07:00I feel the tax rate should only be 1/2 of 1% becau...I feel the tax rate should only be 1/2 of 1% because of the excessive rate of property values in the last 4 years. Setting the tax rate at the current high assessment won't solve any problems. <BR/><BR/>If we set the value of 1% of my current house value my taxes would increase by $1300 each year <BR/><BR/>I do agree that we need to set budget limitations on government entities. We have a budget and we live within our budget. Unless we want to take on second jobs we are limited to spending what we earn. We try very hard to do this. Sometime there are emergenices for which we have not planned and we have to borrow or use a credit card. <BR/><BR/>Government entities would have to justify their need for more monies for a specific time limit and purpose. The voters then would authorize them or not approve of those needs. They can't continue to delve into our pockets to do what they want. <BR/><BR/>The Realtors claim they are trying to keep taxes down, but yet they continue to demand 5-6% commission on a home sale. So if a house increases by %150,000 over a five year period the commission increases by $6,000 dollars. They should reduce their rates to modify the commission as home values escalate. I don't see the realtors driving a Corolla, or a Hyandai, or a 10 year old car. No they drive big or newer cars. I don't cry for them one second.<BR/><BR/>Lets get groups going in each country and pressure the counties and other entities and the legistlature to change the way taxes are assessed. <BR/><BR/>Count me in.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-23806318272679321242007-09-21T00:37:00.000-07:002007-09-21T00:37:00.000-07:00The above blogger Concerned about Southern Utah ec...The above blogger Concerned about Southern Utah echoes my feelings. This is a statewide issue, not just an Ogden Valley or North Salt Lake issue.<BR/><BR/>The grass roots effort will have to work as a tidal wave across the state. The epicenter of the quake was Snowcrest Junior High on August 15th, but the wave is just starting to recharge and the Tsunami is forming.<BR/><BR/>While some try to pass this off as "our" problem (Ogden Valley), this is certainly a statewide issue of epic proportions. During the hearing at the Capital, a nice lady from Alta said their assessors have simply tacked on $1 million to the residents assessments.<BR/><BR/>If you have escaped the wrath this year, watch out for next.<BR/><BR/>Statewide Reform is needed NOW. Keep up the fight Machman!<BR/><BR/>ValValleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01922377026993203145noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-86963589282230852482007-09-20T13:36:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:36:00.000-07:00Another very valid point! At this stage all I can...Another very valid point! At this stage all I can think of or do beyond all I have done is to suggest sending the information out across the State in network fashion. Meaning use you email lists of friends to friends etc. encouraging them to spread the word and/or tune into this blog.spot for information and constructive commentary of their own. We will definitely need a grass roots revolt to get "acquisition value" based taxation legislated. The handout yesterday was all anti Prop 13 propaganda and came from within the legislature assisted by ???, but I do have my suspicions that the "big three real estate lobbyists" are involved. Much of it was already posted on the Ogden Valley blog and came from Rep Froerer's office. We heard from one of them yesterday and it was verbatum to what one Representative already put out in another context. So the murky water is becoming clear little at a time and the "disease" is being quarantined slowly but surely. Welcome aboard Wingman Mel with your valid concerns!Minor Machmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02724920111398658234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-62124991830287054422007-09-20T13:24:00.000-07:002007-09-20T13:24:00.000-07:00I read with interest your speech and wonder why it...I read with interest your speech and wonder why it only included a small percentage of the state. This is not just a North Utah problem but also includes the southern Utah area. I wonder how we get the news out to all of the state to get behind this property tax problem. With the housing industry in a free fall everyone knows the assessed tax is outrageous. Also it must be understood that people should not be taxed based on what someone else pays for their property. This property taxation currently going on is going to cause many lower and mid income people out of their homes just when Utah is pushing for affordable housing. <BR/> <BR/>How can we get the message out to others about the need to do something constructive about the problem. The hearing you attended was not even mentioned in Southern Utah so therefore there was no input regarding our thoughts or problems.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-78435232299240377432007-09-20T09:27:00.000-07:002007-09-20T09:27:00.000-07:00Good point. But if no one dares go beyond narrow l...Good point. But if no one dares go beyond narrow limits of property tax issues, how do we solve problems, propose solutions, have open debate, etc. I am "not in charge" of anyone's opinions and barely my own. That is exactly why I want your thoughts, ideas, disagreements, in essence your collective wisdom. Besides.... solutions to tax issues involve an entire universe of possibilities. Let us explore them together and eventually come to a "super majority" agreement. Deal? And by all means if you choose to not want to be a part of the solution anyone can simply "opt out" or "decline" from the distribution list. No harm no foul.Minor Machmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02724920111398658234noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-63629891080027264462007-09-20T09:17:00.000-07:002007-09-20T09:17:00.000-07:00The 1000 people who signed the petition, signed a ...The 1000 people who signed the petition, signed a petition to protest taxes only. They did not sign on to be represented on issues such as state's rights, private property advocates etc. It is a fine line one walks, when one represents the "people". <BR/>If you go beyond the statement of the petition, you overstep what people agreed to.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-23436396205576462222007-09-20T09:00:00.000-07:002007-09-20T09:00:00.000-07:00I concur with your writings, and I appreciate your...I concur with your writings, and I appreciate your effort. Aside from the obvious problems with property taxes in general, I am equally frustrated with the lack of accountability. Not one person I have talked to or read their op-eds expressed any responsibility. Everyone is a messenger. After hours of conversing with the assessors,and a commissioner, I am completely baffled as to what they do and how they do it. Perfect government I suppose.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7588057111495513132.post-65905330326140461712007-09-20T07:56:00.000-07:002007-09-20T07:56:00.000-07:00YOU GO!! I like everything you've said, not only i...YOU GO!! I like everything you've said, not only in your speech but also in your blog. Enough of the "band-aid" offers. All we will accept is total tax reform. As things are right now, none of my kids will be able to afford to live in the Valley, and we're lucky if we're able to hold on. Our property taxes have tripled in 12 years. Where is the end of this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com